Saturday, October 17, 2009

Matt 24 Watch, 90: A troubling blog visit at Barbados Underground

A few days ago, World Net Daily Books released an expose on the Islamic interest group in the USA, CAIR, The Muslim Mafia.

The book is reportedly based on 12,000 pages of documentation obtained by a young man, Chris Gaubatz, who managed to become an Intern at CAIR's headquarters. According to Islam expert Daniel Pipes' review, "CAIR's inner workings revealed":
The Council on American-Islamic Relations has, since its founding in 1994, served as the Islamist movement in North America's most high-profile, belligerent, manipulative, and aggressive agency. From its headquarters in Washington, D.C., CAIR also sets the agenda and tone for the entire Wahhabi lobby.

A substantial body of criticism about CAIR exists, some of by me, but until now, the group's smash-mouths and extremists have managed to survive all revelations about its record. The publication today of Muslim Mafia: Inside the Secret Underworld That's Conspiring to Islamize America (WND Books) may, however, change the equation.

Written by P. David Gaubatz and Paul Sperry, the investigation is based largely on the undercover work of Gaubatz's son Chris who spent six months as an intern at CAIR's D.C. headquarters in 2008. In that capacity, he acquired 12,000 pages of documentation and took 300 hours of video.

Chris Gaubatz's information reveals much that the secretive CAIR wants hidden, including its strategy, finances, membership, and internal disputes, thereby exposing its shady and possibly illegal methods . . . [More]

Where things get interesting for us in the Caribbean region is that on Wednesday, October 14, Barbados Underground published a post on the WND announcement of the book and the underlying findings of the investigation. That post begins with the 9/11 attacks in New York:

It is no secret to BU the 911 event which occurred in New York on the 11 September 2001 has added to tensions between the Muslim and Christian worlds. The reported terrorist acts which resulted in the demolition of the Twin Towers, damaged to the Pentagon and tragically resulted in the loss of many lifes has scared world history. The act was tracked to the Al Qaeda network by the US authorities and predictably the fallout has reverberated across the world. During the last US Presidential Election Campaign the foreign policy the candidates would adopt if elected was placed under heavy scrutiny especially concerning the current conflicts in Muslim Iraq, Afghanistan and for other reasons Iran. To President Barack Obama’s credit he fulfilled a campaign promise when he delivered a speech targeting his message at the Muslim world back in May designed to ease tension. He demonstrated courage and imagination by travelling to Egypt to do so.

Eight years later BU is not sure there has been any deflation of tensions even though President Obama has been able to benefit by being awarded a Nobel Peace prize significantly attributed to his efforts at enabling a climate which encourages peace.

It must concern President Obama now that he carries the weight of being a Nobel Laureate; the unravelling revelation in a book just released that the Council on American Islamic Relations (CAIR) has been fingered - in a memo obtained through Paul Sperry’s newest book Muslim Mafia: Inside the Secret Underworld that’s Conspiring to Islamize America, CAIR lays out plans to place interns in the Committees on the Judiciary, Intelligence, and Homeland Security for the purpose of influencing policy . . .

The tone of a significant number of comments is highly revealing:

Green Monkey // October 15, 2009 at 12:03 AM

When you realize that 9/11 was one big false-flag black-op (a la Operation Northwoods), you tend to be somewhat sceptical of these hysterical warnings of the dangers of the Muslim mafia.

If there is a Muslim mafia, you can almost bet your bottom dollar
the CIA and/or their buddies in the Mossad probably had something to do with setting it up.

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BAFBFP // October 15, 2009 at 1:09 AM

“The act was tracked to the Al Qaeda network by the US authorities and ”

Wha’ you talkin’ ’bout man…? After all the discussion that has taken place on this blog over the last few years you could still say something like that David?

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Crusoe // October 15, 2009 at 5:51 AM

Structural engineering aside, one basic and simple fact glares.

Why were the planes not intercepted?

2001 and no jets even did a fly past, with all of these planes off course???



The next question one must ask is.

WHO is the enemy of the average man?

One poster above comes close.

Various black ops even oppose the ‘official agency’ lines.

Do not vouch for a soul, except yourself.

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Carson C. Cadogan // October 15, 2009 at 6:55 AM


Don’t tell me that you are joining the anti Muslim crew just like BFP.

Don’t let the Jews fool you.

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BAFBFP // October 15, 2009 at 7:14 AM

I do not like Muslims. There I admit it. They hide their women and they smell.

But I do not like Jews either.. for every reason available and those not yet discovered.

But the Christians …hah.. I take particular pleasure in despising them (other than Georgey of course). I don’t even need a reason!

It is disgusting that the media would have people blame a whole religious grouping of billions people by highlighting the acts of a few of its members, and not even take the time to prove that most of what is being said is in fact true.

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Hopi // October 15, 2009 at 10:30 AM

“He demonstrated courage and imagination by travelling to Egypt to do so.” Really?

“……..even though President Obama has been able to benefit by being awarded a Nobel Peace prize significantly attributed to his efforts at enabling a climate which encourages peace.” Really?

Seems like a case of Stockholm Syndrome where you are in love with the real terrorists…those who have always robbed and pillaged you.

Don’t you remember when “we” were the underdogs. But somehow with the selection of BaRat as figure head you are under the illusion that something has changed? Deception! Deception!

It is beyond gullible to actually side with those pointing a finger at the muslims. If the muslims are actually criminals it is because they are working with the real judeo-christian criminals. And it is still dumbfounding that those who for the last 2500 years have suffered mercilessly at the hand of this oppressor, still lap up every drop of its drivel.

Who controls the money supply in this world to the point where they can yank it from circulation and wreak havoc on economies whose countries are run by weak-minded leaders?

Cui Bono? Follow the money!

And day by day BaRat Obama is proving himself to be nothing but a marionette and a LIAR!

Don’t forget that there is that Goldstone report out there, so they must keep re-directing your focus.

And don’t forget that all this is leading up to the attack on Iran. Hillary is globe-trekking in an effort to get others to form yet another coalition against Iran.

Who owns and control what you see in the media…the “jews” and obviously the local media are nothing but lapdogs.

And one of the the biggest threats to this planet is coming directly from the christian armageddonists and the zionists.

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Technician // October 15, 2009 at 11:43 AM

@ Zoe…..please dont start with your crap !!!
The Bible also has many verses similar to the Qur’an,in terms of dealing with non believers.

Yet still you ‘chose’ this book as your salvation.
Christians will always hate Muslims and vice versa….it is the nature of man to hate what you don’t understand.

I bet you celebrated Columbus Day too and we all know he was a d___ blasted LIAR (Burning Spear).
For years we were made to believe that he ‘discovered’ the world, when there is proof that the Khemetians were making this trip 5000 years before him in boats built from papyrus.

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Technician // October 15, 2009 at 11:50 AM

@ Valletta…

…When the twin towers were attacked and it was discovered that muslims were behind it , muslims celebrated it in the streets and in the mosques while america mourned in shock. THAT IS A FACT.

Please dont come here and lie!!
The footage that was shown immediately after the strike on the WTC on the CNN networks and Fox has BEEN PROVEN to be old footage from celebrations in the Arab world taken years before.
The same Networks had to apologize but it was all done to create the necessary reaction to get the masses in agreement for what was to come next.

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Natasha // October 15, 2009 at 2:47 PM

It is so unfortunate to read some of the comments regarding Muslims on this blog. Just taking quotes from the Qu’ran, totally out of context is uneducated. The same can be done with parts of the Bible and for sure from the Torah.
How odd it is, that some would stereotype ALL Muslims based on the actions of some….recalling few past horrible, yet independent instances. Very similar to the stereotypes many put onto black people…because of the actions of a few.
There are bad Muslims, good Muslims and everything in between. Sadly, what you all see and hear about is the 1% of VERY HORRIBLE people who under the guise of Islam execute their hidden political agendas through violence. In fact, my Islam, and the Islam of the rest of the 99% of Muslims, is a peace loving one with love for everyone regardless of creed, race and religions.
God/Allah in the Quran says
“O mankind! We have created you as male and female, and made you nations and tribes, so that you may know one another” (49:13)

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We could go on, and thankfully there were some significant counter-balancing comments. but the above documents a very worrying pattern.

To such, I responded as follows:

October 16, 2009 at 6:02 AM


Jus a pass tru . . . shakin’ my head.

Take a quiet breath, please, count to 10, then go back to Mr Blackett’s posts above and READ.

Especially Q 9:5 — the sword verse, and 9:29 — the verse of tribute (Jizya as a discriminatory mark of humiliation and permanent subjugation).

THEN go read the history of Islam from the 600’s on, including the subjugation and slaughter of Jewish tribes at Medina by Mohammed, what happened to Mecca, and to Arabia at large. Then, what the first four “rightly guided” Caliphs did, and how that led to Islam’s spread by conquest from India to Spain and France by the early 700’s.

Q 9:5 and 29 are not that hard to understand against that backdrop. Nor the admitted actions of Al Qaeda on Sept 11, 2001. (Cf even so humble a source as this, as a beginning point . . . )

(And while you are at it, it was the Englishman who owned the merchant ships and bought the slaves that came to this part of the world, but who were the pirates who rob I and sold I? Who continue to do same to this day in Sudan, Mauritania etc. . . . [remember, right up into C19, Europeans had big problems surviving in Africa in the face of the diseases there. Worse than in the Caribbean: look at the regimental records of deaths on postings to the Caribbean in St Michael's Cathedral, including when things began to taper off.]] )

And, in fact the hadith on the Black Flag armies and that infamous Al Qaeda recruitment video [cf here] make it plain that from Khorasan (look it up on Wikipedia . . . Iran, Afghanistan [and neighbourhood] ) the end times armies of the Mahdi will on hadithic eschatology rise up and conquer the ME — slaughtering the Jews [cf Hamas Charter article 7 which quotes the relevant hadith verbatim as its final words] — then subjugate the whole world to the E and the W. (Hadiths are the handed on traditions of M, and are the basis for interpreting the Q, making hem the effective no 2 holy book of Islam.)

So, while we are for good reason fearful of the frying pan of Western Imperial domain on grounds of history [and we should remember that this can also come to us in the form of internationalist or liberationist movements or "reform"/ "protest" movements that claim to help us . . . don't ever forget that Nazism was an explicitly SOCIALIST movement, one that cut a deal with the industrialists in the interests of the "nation" instead of shooting them outright; it also pointed to British and French imperialism and American slaughter of Amerindians to distract attention from its intentions . . . ], we have not learned the history of the other major imperial tradition of our time.

And, above, it shows.

So, let us not jump from frying pan into fire.

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Astonishingly, while a former muslim responded : "POWERFUL STUFF!!! Blessing on you…" the main response onward seemed to be this from a Mr Cadogan:

  • “it was the Englishman who owned the merchant ships and bought the slaves that came to this part of the world”

    Don’t fool yourself and others, most of the slave ships were owned and operated by Jews.

  • Jewish slave ship owners

    Caracoa, Moses and Sam Levy.

    Crown Issac Levy and Nathan Simpson

    Hester Mordecai and David Gomez

    Antigua Nathan Marston and Abram Lyell

This of course distorts the basic fact that by the eighteenth century, the largest single carrying trade of British shipping was the slave trade. this wqas so much the case that the Royal navy's leadership opposed the abolition of the slave trade as a threat to the navy's ability to recruit seasoned sailors.

Thereafter the thread has gone into further spleen venting.

I think we need to seriously and soberly reflect on what is happening in our region, and how many of our fellow Caribbean people are now thinking in a world in which Internet hate and conspiracy theory sites are a click or two away. END


PS: As a beginning, I will just note that a pancake collapse of the twin towers triggered by large commercial aircraft with almost full fuel loads in them is not that hard to figure out, as once the steel heats up enough it will soften, then once ONE floor fails, the cumulative pile-driver blows of falling upper floors will destroy the building; as has long been analysed in great details by responsible engineering consultants. I also excerpt the Wikipedia article on responsibility for the 9-11 attacks as a first quick reference. This will give us a fairly clear picture on where the weight of evidence lies:


Soon after the September 11 attacks, the Federal Bureau of Investigation identified the hijackers[1] and connected them to al-Qaeda.[2] In a number of video, audio, interview and printed statements, senior members of al-Qaeda have also admitted responsibility for organizing the September 11 attacks.[3][4][5]

The FBI investigation into the attacks, codenamed operation PENTTBOM, was able to identify the 19 hijackers within days, as they made little effort to conceal their names on flight, credit card, and other records.[6] By checking flight manifests and comparing them with other information, like watch lists, customs officials were able to quickly find the names of all 19 hijackers.

Passengers and crew aboard the flights provided information about the hijackers while the hijacking was in progress. Two flight attendants on American Airlines Flight 11, Betty Ong and Madeline Amy Sweeney, contacted airline personnel on the ground. Sweeney provided the seat numbers of the hijackers, and descriptions of the men, identifying Muhammad Atta as one of the hijackers.[7][8][9] A flight attendant on United Airlines Flight 175 called a United Airlines mechanic and reported that hijackers had killed the crew.[9] While the hijacking was in progress on American Airlines Flight 77, several passengers, including a flight attendant, Renee May, contacted and reported details of the hijacking to persons on the ground.[10] Sales clerks identified two individuals to whom they sold tickets on Flight 77 as the hijackers Hani Hanjour and Majed Moqed.[9] During the hijacking of United Airlines Flight 93, Jeremy Glick identified the hijackers as Arabic-looking and carrying knives.[11]

Mohamed Atta's luggage did not make the connection from his Portland flight to American Airlines Flight 11. In his suitcase, authorities found a handwritten letter in Arabic. As well, a handwritten letter was found at the crash site of United Airlines Flight 93 near Shanksville, Pennsylvania, and another in Hazmi's vehicle.[12] When examining Mohamed Atta's left-behind luggage, the FBI found important clues about the hijackers and their plans. Atta's luggage contained instructional videotapes for flying large aircraft, a fuel consumption calculator, and a flight plan, along with a copy of the Quran.[13] His luggage also contained papers that revealed the identity of all 19 hijackers, along with a copy of Atta's last will and testament.[14] The passport of hijacker Abdulaziz Alomari was also found in Mohamed Atta’s left-behind luggage.

Various items of evidence were found in vehicles left behind at the airports, in luggage that did not make it onto the flights, and at the crash scenes. A rental car belonging to the hijackers was found at Boston's Logan International Airport, which contained an Arabic language flight manual and documents from Huffman Aviation in Florida. There, investigators were able to find Mohamed Atta and Marwan al-Shehhi's previous address in Hamburg, Germany.[15] Nawaf al-Hazmi's 1988 blue Toyota Corolla was found on September 12 in Dulles International Airport's hourly parking lot. Inside the vehicle, authorities found a letter written by Mohamed Atta, maps of Washington, D.C. and New York City, a cashier's check made out to a Phoenix flight school, four drawings of a Boeing 757 cockpit, a box cutter-type knife, and a page with notes and phone numbers.[16]

In New York City, a passport belonging to Satam al-Suqami was found by a passerby before the towers collapsed, and given to a NYPD detective.[17][18] The passports of two of the hijackers of Flight 93 were also found intact at the crash site.

On September 27, 2001, the FBI released photos of the 19 hijackers, along with information about the possible nationalities and aliases of many.[19]

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In November 2001, US forces recovered a videotape from a bombed house in Jalalabad, Afghanistan which showed Osama bin Laden talking to Khaled al-Harbi. In the tape, bin Laden talks of planning the attacks. Translations from the tape include the following lines:

...we calculated in advance the number of casualties from the enemy, who would be killed based on the position of the tower. We calculated that the floors that would be hit would be three or four floors. I was the most optimistic of them all...We had notification since the previous Thursday that the event would take place that day. We had finished our work that day and had the radio on...Muhammad (Atta) from the Egyptian family (meaning the al-Qaeda Egyptian group), was in charge of the group...The brothers, who conducted the operation, all they knew was that they have a martyrdom operation and we asked each of them to go to America but they didn't know anything about the operation, not even one letter. But they were trained and we did not reveal the operation to them until they are there and just before they boarded the planes.[69]

In late November 2002, a letter attributed to Osama bin Laden and translated by British Islamists surfaced, often called bin Laden's 'letter to America'. It states the motive behind the September 11 attacks as being: "because you attacked us and continue to attack us" and justifies the selection of a civilian target. Itemizing a list of perceived Western wrongdoings, the letter concludes that "the oppressed have a right to return the aggression" and hinted at further attacks. Also included are a list of demands, advice, and a statement of grievances against the American government and its people. [70]

On February 11, 2003, Al Jazeera broadcast an audio tape purportedly from bin Laden.[71]

Shortly before the US presidential election in 2004, in a taped statement, bin Laden publicly acknowledged al-Qaeda's involvement in the attacks on the US, and admitted his direct link to the attacks. He said that the attacks were carried out because "we are a free people who do not accept injustice, and we want to regain the freedom of our nation."

In an audio message that surfaced on the Internet in May 2006 the speaker, who is alleged to be Osama bin Laden, defends Zacarias Moussaoui, who was undergoing a trial for his participation in the September 11 attacks. The voice in the audio message says

"I begin by talking about the honorable brother Zacarias Moussaoui. The truth is that he has no connection whatsoever with the events of September 11th, and I am certain of what I say, because I was responsible for entrusting the 19 brothers — Allah have mercy upon them — with those raids, and I did not assign brother Zacarias to be with them on that mission."[72]

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Those who wish to assert "insider job" conspiracy theories and the like therefore have some significant direct evidence to account for and overturn.

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